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Written by Maury Brown   
Wednesday, 05 October 2011 21:47

Welcome to a typical regular season game at Tropicana
Field. Prepare for more of it as relocation isn't feasible.

They say winning cures all ills. I used to believe that. But, in the last four years the Tampa Bay/St. Pete market has changed everything.

With the exception of 2009, the Rays have been about as good as anyone could ask for. The next gen of Moneyball, Stuart Sternberg and Andrew Friedman have delivered superior MLB talent with a budget that straddles the edge of minor league. This season, the Rays opening payroll was $41,053,571 or 29th out of the 30 clubs (only the Royals were lower). To place that in perspective, that’s less than half the amount that the 15th ranked club (the Braves), and $30,869,900 less than what they had in 2010 when they ranked 19th in Opening Day payroll.

And yet, the team that went 91-71 had the second lowest attendance in the league. The team that won the American League Wild Card in dramatic fashion saw the second largest drop in attendance  behind only the Dodgers. The 2011 Rays season saw 314,257 fewer ticket sold than in 2010, a decline of over 17%. The drop was greater than the Astros who lost an MLB worst 106 games.

SEE A BREAKDOWN OF THE 2011 REGULAR SEASON ATTENDANCE

And, it gets worse.

The Rays on FS Florida/Sun Sports saw the largest audience drop (40,000 households to 66,000). They saw the third largest ratings decline (-37.5% or a 3.67 rating) behind only the Padres and Astros, both of which had poor seasons in the standings (the Astros were a league worst 106 losses).

SEE A BREAKDOWN OF REGIONAL SPORTS NETWORK TELEVISION RATINGS FOR 2011

"When I came in here in '05 and '06, I saw the stars, and I was confident that we could put a winning product on the field -- and I was told by you guys and others that all we needed was a winning team," Sternberg said on Tuesday. "Well, we won. We won. We won. And we won. And it didn't do it."

"I don't have all the answers to it, but we've answered any questions stadium related, market related, economy related, area related, sport related," Sternberg add. "Whatever you want to say, there are 29 other teams passing us like we're going in reverse right now. Except on the field. And at some point that changes. …

"To a team, winning solves ills. And we are four years into winning and we're no better off right now."

So there is talk that the Rays will relocate. Some whisper about contraction. For the moment, forget it.

In 2008, I did an exhaustive look at the Top 10 markets for relocation or expansion in MLB and since I’ve written repeatedly on relocation and contraction.

Tampa Bay, you’re safe. The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t: any market you’d look to relocate to is thin – a small or mid-market with caveats. You could move the Rays to Northern New Jersey where there is plenty of population and business to build off of, but the Yankees and the Mets would scream. Go to Portland and you deal with the Mariners. Go to Vegas and you deal with 6 clubs that claim the television market.

Maybe, you consider contraction. After all, former commissioner Fay Vincent confirmed in an interview with The Biz of Baseball that the league expanded in the ‘90s to off-set payments to the players after the owners colluded to hold down player salaries in the ‘80s.

Fat chance.

The league tried this with the Expos and to do it, they needed another team to go with them. Back then, it was the Twins. Now…? The Athletics?

It doesn’t matter. The MLBPA would never go for it as they would see players on MLB rosters lose jobs as would all the affiliated minor league teams. Throw in television contracts and the municipalities that host them suing MLB left, right, and sideways, and contraction is off the table.

No, Tampa Bay, you’re safe. But, that doesn’t mean you deserve the Rays. Only by luck are you keeping the team. If the opportunity to relocate or contract the club were available, as fast as you can say, “Bud Selig”, I’m betting they would. Fans in other markets would die to have a team as good as the Rays have been. Fans in other markets dream of an owner and GM the likes of which the Rays enjoy. Tampa Bay yawns, goes to bed early, or flips on a sitcom. The Rays may have some of the finest writers – both mainstream and new – covering them, but the ones that matter the most – the average fan – are below average. They just aren’t there.

In fairness, as with any market, there are passionate fans, and the Rays have some, just not enough to move the needle. Not enough to move those that are either transplants with their own allegiance that they brought with them, or a fan that has chose to support other pro sport options. Either way, talk of sustainability is going to be the soup de jour for some time.

There will be apologists that will use the location of The Trop. There are fans that will say it’s the economy. Horse pucky. If it were the economy, the television ratings wouldn’t have crashed harder than a rock falling from The Trop’s roof. And, even if the location is poor (and it is), at least the bandwagon would have shown up in the last week of the regular season, but they didn’t. A small core of rabid fans isn't enough. The market is in question.

Tampa Bay, your name is apathy. You are the last years of the Montreal Expos in terms of attendance with the team being 1994 before the strike (for the record, the Expos averaged 24,543 in the shortened 1994 season. The Rays in 2011 averaged 18,878). The ability to sustain these winning ways is fragile. The Rays show that they can win on a shoestring, but at some point, it won’t be as such.

Here’s to the Rays organization. You’re putting up with more than you should, but you have no choice, and that’s a pity. Mr. Sternburg should keep silent -- bite your tongue -- bashing your fan base isn't going to endear you. Leave that to the writers.

Maury BrownMaury Brown is the Founder and President of the Business of Sports Network, which includes The Biz of Baseball, The Biz of Football, The Biz of Basketball and The Biz of Hockey, and is a contributor to Forbes SportsMoney blog.. He is available as a freelance writer. Brown's full bio is here. He looks forward to your comments via email and can be contacted through the Business of Sports Network (select his name in the dropdown provided).

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Couple of quibbles
written by El Duder, October 06, 2011
Last week of the season, the Rays averaged 23K, same as last season. That the team was 9 games out at the start of Sept and was always behind for the bulk of the season should not be overlooked.
Also, would there be a real impact of the general decline in cable tv subscriptions with respect to the Rays cable-only broadcasts?
What is the difference between the Lightning and the Rays that would allow for the top placement of attendance right after the Stanley Cup win?
IMO, the Rays present a situation that requires more analysis and cross-referencing than just the blanket preposition of fan failure.
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written by Vagrant, October 06, 2011
There are multitude of factors that have contributed to the attendence problems of the Rays this year. First of all, I blame the owner because he was squawking about slashing payroll and didn't keep the six top players. When owners do this they turn off fans and as in the previous post, the Rays didn't even look like a playoff contender until the last couple weeks of this season. People are talking about the bad attendence as if the Rays were in this pennant race all year and it is a false argument. Additionally, as a resident of St. Pete I am constantly annoyed that the only time Fox's Game of the Week shows the Rays is when they are playing the RedSox, Yankees, Mets and Phillies. Fox's game is supposed to show the game in your market and why the owner doesn't scream at Fox is beyond me. Make those fans from NEast teams get MLB Extra Innings if they want to watch their "precious" teams. Is the Trop depressing? A little but once upon a time the Tampa Bay Lightning drew crowds of 27,000 or more at the Trop and Tampa Bay is not exactly a hockey town. Needless to say when the Rays battled back I was extremely disappointed with our fans for not showing more support down the stretch.
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written by Jeff99, October 06, 2011
If you really understood how bad the location of the trop is relative to the population of the market, combined with the weaker family demographics in St. Pete, you'd understand the problem. It's the only constant in a dynamic situation. Rays could easily average 25K in a central location. The fan base is there.
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written by Jeff99, October 06, 2011
If you really understood how bad the location of the trop is relative to the population of the market, combined with the weaker family demographics in St. Pete, you'd understand the problem. It's the only constant in a dynamic situation. Rays could easily average 25K in a central location. The fan base is there.
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jim
written by sarasota rays fan, October 06, 2011
what was the attendance at the last diamondback game? was it sold out? nope 80% full, they are one of the lowest in terms of % in mlb. how many pro and major college sports team are there in arizona vs florida?

did the florida marlins pack the house year in year out after winning two world series?

florida and arizona will NEVER have hometeam loyality like other states due to so many transplants that will NEVER accept the sports city that they live in as their hometeam. don't believe me, look at the jags, bucs, panthers, dolphins , marlins, and the lightning. which of those teams sell out? NONE!!! it's to easy and too trendy to walk around in a redsox jersey and follow your team on a premium tv package. with spring training, you can also live in the sunshine and still see your team live for a entire month.

you're article is trash!!! it's easy to pick on the rays, but they're not alone. and btw we're also in the top 5 in unemployment.

other than that it's a great read!!
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jim
written by sarasota rays fan, October 06, 2011
when have the yankee's ever sold out an entire season? never, what's their population? in the early 2000's they weren't even in the top 10 in % of ticket sales! hell they can't even sell out in the new stadium with 8K less seats.

boston's TV ratings dropped 38% on nesn between 2009 an 2010.

where were you're "articles" about that? once again TRASH!
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written by NC, October 06, 2011
Why are you so bothered by this Mr Brown? Are you personally offended by the lack of interest? Guess what the people you are angry with are the ones not attending. Chances are they aren't visiting this web site either. So your rant is falling on deaf ears. I hope you enjoyed banging that out on your keyboard.
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written by Jess, October 06, 2011
This article is the most absurd thing I have ever read. For one, as a die hard Ray's fan, I am sick and tired of every single day seeing an article pretty much saying we don't deserve the team, the fan base sucks, they need to move the team. For one, how can you blame the fans? The fans are the ones going to the games and are the ones supporting their teams. Its not the fans that are not going to the game, its people who are not fans. Secondly, When the owner does nothing but bash the fans and say he is moving the team, how many new fans do you think the team will get? NONE. Who would want to become attachted to a team when every day you hear they might be moved? Its ridiculous the Ray's keep getting picked on and its ridiculous people like you who are not even part of the orginzation are writting articles about something you clearly know nothing about. The Rays are 14 years old and I think everyone keeps forgetting that.
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written by sarasota rays fan, October 06, 2011
why don't you be honest? don't you have ties with portland and want the rays to relocate there? coincidence? not hardly!!
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Thanks for the comments!
written by MauryB, October 06, 2011
Impa*sioned comments... like that. I won't be addressing directly until after I post my interview that ran on the King David Show today on 1010 AM.... except for one...

Sarasota Rays Fan, I was involved in the MLB to Portland effort in 2000-2001 when the Expos were up for relocation. Since then, I have said repeatedly that while the market could support an MLB team, there is no way that that will be occurring anytime soon. Reasons?

While is funding on the books, there is not enough to build a new stadium. There is no longer an interim facility by which an MLB team could play while a new ballpark is built. As I note in the article above, the Mariners will not allow for it. And, the Rays are a coast away. Best for them to stay on the East Coast.

Relocation, be it the Rays or A's, has to come within their own television territory. Too difficult to indemnify clubs impacted by the encroachment. Don't believe me? Ask Peter Angeleos and the Orioles when the Expos relocated. Or, the Giants now over the issue of San Jose.

The Rays can't relocate at this time. At the same time, attendance will likely remain at or near the bottom of MLB's rankings. With that, Longoria and Price will eventually move on when the hit free agency.

What is more likely to happen before relocation or a new stadium is Sternburg selling the Rays.

More later when the audio from my interview on The King David Show is online. Once again, thanks for the comments.
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Wow
written by A Stephens, October 06, 2011
Blame the messenger much?

What's inexcusable is that this is a good organization, it is led by likeable competent professionals, they have a nice nucleus of young players (guess what? They had that AFTER losing some of their stars to free agency), they have a top 5 or so farm system, they compete to the end, and yet,...
...They don't draw squat.

You folks are here doing nothing but making excuses. To be fair, if I'm a fan in TB that goes to games, then maybe I'm sensitive to criticism as well, but that doesn't alter the facts. Your market support for one of baseballs best and brightest is beyond pathetic.

You don't deserve the Rays, is right.
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written by MauryB, October 06, 2011
For those that think this is about getting the Rays to Portland, um... well... maybe you might want to read this from 2007:

http://www.bizjournals.com/por...l?page=all
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written by Jess, October 06, 2011
Blame the messenger? He is not sending a message at all, he is putting his own two sense in and saying Tampa Bay doesn't deserve the team. I have not made one excuse, I go to almost ever single game and when I am not there I am watching them on TV. My point is that is absurd to blame the fans. If anyone should be blamed it should be Sternberg. What has he done since he bought them in 2005? Absoltuly nothing but complain and compain. Maybe if he spent half the time marketing his team and trying to find a way to move the stadium to downtown Tampa then he does critizing the team than there would be absoltuly no discussion here because this wouldn't be a problem. The Rays are not the only organization stru*gling but yet they seem to be the only one people talk/write about and I am tired of it, and as a fan I do take it personally because there is a long line of people to take the blame before it should be shifted on the fans.
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written by NC, October 07, 2011
Matters like these are delicate. Often times the words you choose and the angle from which you come can affect the reaction. This piece seems to take a position that Rays fans don't deserve the team (which is kind of silly since the ones at the stadium certainly care, it is the ones who aren't there or the ones not watching on TV, but I digress). When you step back and look at what that market really IS and what they are capable of, I don't think it is unfair to say that the market is doing what they are capable of in terms of support. Tampa/St Pete is what it is: its a mid to small market with hurdles. Some of those hurdles are economic (which exist everywhere), some are geographic (large body of water which splits the area in half), some are demographic (transient population with interests in other teams) and some are regional (southern state where football commands much of the collective sports attention from high school up to the NFL).

I think what you are seeing from Tampa/St Pete truly is "their best shot" in terms of support. Is that a reason to point fingers and chastise the community? Absolutely not.

Should they have gotten a team to begin with?

Perhaps no. Maury Brown interviewed Fay Vincent in 2005 and asked about the reasons for early 90's expansion. The question posed read "There is the perception, real or otherwise, that expansion was done to offset the losses incurred over collusion in the ‘80s. What is your perception of that issue?". Vincent's response was, in a nutshell "yes". You can read the whole interview here
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1173&Itemid=81

So perhaps the bigger issue is not the "undeserving" Rays fans, but rather, current ownership groups paying old debts today. Consider this....

1. Courts rule that owners in the mid 80s colluded to keep salaries down.
2. MLB owners are ordered to pay $10 million a piece as a result.
3. Instead of paying the bill, they agree to expand by 4 teams, collect fees and use that to pay their collusion bill.
4. As a result MLB finds themselves in markets with soft support (the two in Florida). Arizona's is questionable as well.
5. These teams do not draw, therefore current ownership is forced to cut payroll, leading to a vicious cycle whereby the team begins to lose money and those loses are covered by revenue sharing.

So in essence the revenue sharing is interest on the collusion fee.

Granted the City of St Pete lobbied long and hard to get a team. Perhaps the overtures made by the White Sox and Giants were truly made to get stadium deals, but ultimately those owners saw their current markets as more viable than St Pete. Good for them. Perhaps owners as a whole should have been shrewder in their expansion decision making processes.
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another lazy sports writer takes the easy shot
written by stpetenative, October 11, 2011
Wow......this sportswriter drinks the MLB "KoolAid" right from the spout...This article is clearly an MLB backed propaganda intended to serve MLB and the Rays ownership. This article contains few facts, ignores other MLB ballclub's similar woes and relieves Rays ownership of any responsibility for their own business success... "You’re putting up with more than you should, but you have no choice, and that’s a pity".......what a bunch of baloney. I've been a Rays fan since the inaugural game in '98 and a STH for the past 4 seasons, but the Rays organization and MLB are responsible for making baseball a success in Tampa Bay. Do they really think that scolding the community for not spending their dollars as they prefer is a sound business strategy? Whether the Rays prosper or fail will be determined by the stewardship and business savvy of both MLB and the Rays owners.
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your a piece of s**t
written by f**k you, October 14, 2011
im going to comment on the level of intelligence you showed in your post. simply put, your are a dumb, sorry, JEALOUS, piece of s**t. just because MLB didnt wanna put a team in Portland like you so desperately wanted, DOESNT mean you should be bashing the rays. quit crying over the fact that youll NEVER have an MLB team you sad little dirtbag. look at the top comment. this is a unique situation that ISNT TO BE BLAMING ONONLY THE FAN BASE. go lobby for a team in portland that youll never get. hey, thats two things youl never get! an MLB team and (that thing that girls have) you geek no life (dude). go cry
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Ha!
written by MauryB, October 14, 2011
Is this that drunk dude I met at the ballpark the other day, because you are still hilarious!! Don't go changin'!
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Something I hope all the Rays fans will read
written by MauryB, October 14, 2011
If you haven't read this already, you should...


MLB Ballpark Location and the Population Around It Can Greatly Influence Attendance


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